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Physics just likes to make an easy job hard, Jonathan. It's exactly the same deal with the "expanding space". If you're standing at the roadside watching a car drive away from you do you say that the space between you and the car is expanding or do you just say that the car is moving away from you.
'It should be possible to explain the universe to a barmaid"....Albert Einstein
To a barmaid yes, to a physicist no.
'It should be possible to explain the universe to a barmaid"....Albert Einstein
To a barmaid yes, to a physicist no.
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How do they decide that the object exists for the same length of time
but time has dilated
rather than
the object simply exists for different amounts of time
its like saying
my bowls of ice-cream: (caramel or vanilla) exist for a fixed amount of time
but if its caramel ice-cream, then time runs faster because it disappears more quickly
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Time dilation has been proven by measuring the life time of cosmic radiation in normal space, and we have noted that cosmic radiation decays faster in normal space, and slower on earth.
emoallen3433- Posts : 64
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I am not very good at special relativity but it has very much experimental proof behind it.
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I hate relativity, but it holds true in everything i do.
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Jon. Here's a little bit of frisson to add to your conundrum. Assuming that spaceships A and B are travelling at exactly the same speed when they pass point C (it doesn't matter what this speed is as long as it is identical for each), and assuming that A and B pass by each other as closely as they possibly can then these two spacecraft will be ENTANGLED.
To keep the sums simple imagine that we allow both spacecraft to travel 300,000 kms beyond C. A return radio signal CAC or CBC would therefore take 2 seconds right? However a radio signal CABC should take 4 seconds right?
WRONG. It will take slightly longer than 2 seconds. There's no such thing as perfect entanglement because there's no such thing as a flat space but the time for the radio signal to travel from A to B in this scenario is almost instantaneous. Can you figure out why?
To keep the sums simple imagine that we allow both spacecraft to travel 300,000 kms beyond C. A return radio signal CAC or CBC would therefore take 2 seconds right? However a radio signal CABC should take 4 seconds right?
WRONG. It will take slightly longer than 2 seconds. There's no such thing as perfect entanglement because there's no such thing as a flat space but the time for the radio signal to travel from A to B in this scenario is almost instantaneous. Can you figure out why?
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That's a bit like saying that because the distance between the earth and Alpha Centuri is measured to be 4.367 light years before a rocket sets off for it the distance doesn't contract for the moving rocket! You are inadvertently preferring one frame to another, which is a common issue so misses the point of relativity entirely. There is NO preferred frame of reference. It is only from the earthbound rocket that the distance is 4.367 light years.
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Jilan1 wrote:The observer in each rocket will reckon that the other rocket has travelled a shorter distance than itself.
Not at all.
Both traveler's have measured that the distance to the observe 'c' is the same.
They do this before anyone starts moving.
So when they reach the observer they can only realize that they have traveled the same distance.
Jilan1 wrote:
The fact that the clocks read the same will lead to the conclusion that time must have slowed down for the other observer.
That the clocks read the same, and the distance traveled is the same can only result in the notion
that time dilation in special relativity must have an error in its original conception.
In this case, it cannot exist. Absolutely.
(Unless the universe is an illogical dream-state devoid of objectivity.)
I maintain that in all cases, time dilation in special relativity does not exist.
This chapter explains why:
http://www.flight-light-and-spin.com/Light%20and%20Spin%20-%20Chapter%20xxvii.pdf
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The observer in each rocket will reckon that the other rocket has travelled a shorter distance than itself. The fact that the clocks read the same will lead to the conclusion that time must have slowed down for the other observer.
Jilan1- Posts : 11
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yes its mine
i think you were about the first to see it
it seems so simple and obvious
and yet logical and subversive
its the culmination of the last year and half of analysis
i just keep turning it over in my head and looking at it
again and again from all angles
have been unable to think about much else for the last 2 weeks
taking the hectic complexity of special relativity and reducing it
one simple counter-logical thought experiment
is far more exhausting than it looks
i think you were about the first to see it
it seems so simple and obvious
and yet logical and subversive
its the culmination of the last year and half of analysis
i just keep turning it over in my head and looking at it
again and again from all angles
have been unable to think about much else for the last 2 weeks
taking the hectic complexity of special relativity and reducing it
one simple counter-logical thought experiment
is far more exhausting than it looks
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Did you write this?
emoallen3433- Posts : 64
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Wow. Have always worked against relativity... never seen this before though.
emoallen3433- Posts : 64
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A summary of this analysis is here:
http://www.flight-light-and-spin.com/relativity-revised.htm
The Full chapter is available here:
http://www.flight-light-and-spin.com/Light%20and%20Spin%20-%20Chapter%20xxvii.pdf
I just cannot believe that anyone who makes a complete analysis
of this work can possibly accept the Special Theory of Relativity as being valid.
I have more respect for the flat-Earth society than the Einsteinists.
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